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Suing in either direction is going to likely cost as much if not more than is owed. I'd try reasoning with him further, that it's cheaper just to pay what's owed. If he's suing you to get the source code, then you have leverage. A lot of situations like this, the client changes their mind and decides they don't even want what you made, and therefore feel no obligation to pay. Good luck!
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He wants what's made plus the they already moved their business db to 100% the system we built. He wants to go with cheaper solution I am sure. He signed off on all hours worked theirs clear text messages back and forth that he was happy with the solution we provided.
The clients wife was their she was not so pleasant told me she can't believe I wouldn't give them all the source code and that she rather sue me and pay the new team to start everything from scratch. Completely left field considering he just text me how happy he was like 3 days before. -
Remain cool-headed, as you seem to have done, stay professional and stick to your guns. More often than not these threats are hollow and, given time to cool off and consult with their peers, they will approach you more professionally and you can part ways without harm, financial or otherwise.
It's these trials that make you better at the business end of what you do. It doesn't come naturally to anyone so don't lose too much sleep over it.
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@xroad we do charge hourly, to be paid on completion of milestones.
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@camel-case this is a good idea.
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Oh how I wish I had a shot at this guy and his wife to teach them both a lesson they would never forget! I basically look for such confrontations with such assholes! someone should teach them a lesson and I am a very resilient fuck to mess with. Basically do as @pixeltherapy had said earlier. You have all the right ammunition to beat them in any court case. The guy is just bluffing and playing it tough thinking we developer types have no backbone and will hand over the code with our tail between our legs. Stick to your guns, play it like you have been playing it and look for a lawyer in the mean time. There are some who will agree to consult and even represent you and get paid from the spoils of their labour, the total amount which was due, AFTER the case has been settled. From the looks of it the guy has no intention of paying anyhow and you shall need some legal representation working in this crazy world any way.
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One more thing, once this thing is over, have the same lawyer have a look at the main structure of your contract that you would be using for your subsequent projects and make sure you put in the clause of; "All legal preceding expenses shall be paid by the side who violates the aforementioned articles of this here contract" at the end.he will charge you very little for that draw up, but trust me its money well spent
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I'm a peaceful guy but fuck yeah to @codeRetard. My policy is to think of the greater good. If you let this guy get away with it he'll just pull the same crap on someone else.
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@xroad Being peaceful has nothing to do with it. You will be trialed by such bastards should you choose to go into business. You better be sensible and have methods of dealing with such assholes in place as you will eventually run into a few of them during the course of the life span of your company. Its not being violent, its just common sense really. And if you don't choose to do so, there will be a glass ceiling that you will not pass since there are many such people and companies out there waiting to exploit your hard work.
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@grolofson and others following this post
YouTube: Mike Monteiro - "Fuck you pay me" lecture and watch it. it's only 38 minutes but its a very nice education.
Oddly enough this is the third time I am advising someone here to go and watch this thing. -
@codeRetard I'll watch it as soon as I get a minute. Thank you.
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@ke7mzp I looked this up and it says they have to have done something that has done damages to my business.
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@grolofson in most states refusing payment is damage to the Business as you have spent time and resources on the product in your case he even accepted the product therefore there is a damage that can be calculated
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@pixeltherapy well, the treats got worse then they offered half then met with us and their lawyer turns out they didn't share the news of All threats they been sending in text and voicemail, their lawyers tune changed real
Quick.
End of story not only did we get paid their lawyer is drafting us a contract agreement that the client will take down their slam ad, will not speak ill of us ever again and we will part ways respectfully. So it turned out real good
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@grolofson fuck yeah! Glad to hear this ended well for you
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@grolofson No, it's time for a counter sue! As it stands you haven't done anything to be victorious, they are choosing to close the case. Why the hell do you think the lawyer is all of a sudden so pleasing and accommodating!? Because he knows that you have waaaaaay more than enough to sue their pants off and so he is trying his utmost to make sure you won't pursue this legally. This is time to teach these bastards a lesson and make sure no other such bastards ever think of messing with you
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