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@Jifuna It's been accepted in June I thought. And nope, they tried to keep it out of the public indeed!
Although the law has not been put into place yet, it's through already I think (https://www.sleepwet.nl/) -
This also pretty much means that if they'd require a dutch instant messaging service to hand over the plaintext messages but they are encrypted, they'd either have to find a quick fucking way to decrypt that shit (backdoor?) or it's prison time (if I'm interpreting this right, I'm reading my ass off on this at the moment and it's a shitload of stuff to read)
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@qwerty1337 Nahh Sweden is just working on a law which requires VPN providers to log everything. Keep in mind that this is already into effect (all these capabilities) in countries like the US, UK (or nations) and a couple more :/
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@qwerty1337 Yeah but if they don't keep logs (vpn providers) then they can't supply much :)
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@qwerty1337 Yeah that fact is already fucke up.
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@linuxxx lmao
Sleep wet... the link name is very weird -
@lo98be If you do it through bitcoin and only manage it through Tor or I2P or something, you might get a better chance at staying a little more anonymous yes :)
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@linuxxx
A lil bit off topic, but...
Would you rather use vpn, proxy or tor. Which order and what has the best priority?
Secondly, which countries do have vpn providers that don't have to log your data and give them away to the government? -
@penderis Haha I am not even surprised :P
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@linuxxx I thought of going tor->vps->tor->vps->whatever
Ping time 2495858493929 but... -
Yeah I would not recommend that xD @lo98be
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@yusijs yes the EU has decided that it is illegal but then you can interpret their decision like you want ...
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@qwerty1337 isnt NL part of the Union? I'm Norwegian, and they tried pulling this shit some years back, until it was shut down by the EU.
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@linuxxx
Never thought that the Bundesnachrichtendienst would force ISPs to do so tbh...
Thanks for recommending me NordVPN anyway. Will stick to it. :) -
@yusijs to be honest I have no idea :)
I love in Sweden and we are part of the EU, still the government decides that they can do what they want sometimes. -
@linuxxx Would you change your opinion if such activity tracking lead to prevention of a major crime (for example, a terror act)?
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@randomCoder I think I can answer for him
No
Because it didn't in decades and it's not going to help fighting terrorists any time soon -
@jAsE am not religious nor do I bother to be.
But lemme guess,
Matthew 10:26: "There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known." -
@randomCoder Nope. Especially since its already been proven that it doesn't. Also, privacy is a basic human right, even terrorism shouldn't get that gone because if that happens, where do you cross the line anymore?
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@linuxxx Never thought about it like that. Thanks
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@randomCoder The comment above yours right now you mean?
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@linuxxx Yes, about terrorism which shouldn't take away our right to privacy.
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@randomCoder Ah right!
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@moortuvivens Yup! We're going towards a mass surveillance state.
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@linuxxx This is far worse than I thought. Its time for a vpn
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@Jifuna Yup too badly it is :/. Search for a good VPN first, though!
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@linuxxx I recently found "trust.zone". What do you think?
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@Jifuna Let me take a look!
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@linuxxx (replying to your comment about encrypted messaging apps) that said, if the government doesn't know you're using a messaging service (say, because your internet traffic is tunneled to a place with better privacy laws), they can't intercept it. There was a messaging service that came up a little while ago that was designed to hide the fact that it was a messaging service: both the client and server would send random-ish website-looking data back and forth, and something like 10% of that data would be actual messages (encrypted, of course). Can't remember what it was called, but I'll see if I can find it again.
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@Jifuna It seems quite alright. The best thing is that it's based in the Seychelles which is very good with online privacy. Logs appear not to be kept so might give it a try myself actually!
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@edensg That depends on the app you're using. WhatsApp keeps tons of metadata about every message (including number sent from etc) and since the NSA taps all traffic from every major internet relay center (however you call those), you're still easily identifiable. But for example Signal makes every message look like a general search action on one of the top 15 or so internet sites (google, amazon etc) so it's very freaking hard to pinpoint that shit.
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@linuxxx okay, nice thanks! Haha
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@linuxxx and i thought NL was the best country for torrenting etc.. (always used PIA NL since its near Germany, where I live).
Which country would you recommend using now?
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@ThoughtfulDev Still have to look into that, I'll try to keep you updated!
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@darkpheonix And your country is? :/
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@linuxxx Israel
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@darkpheonix ow yeah :/
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Yeah this is pretty much the state of the U.S.A. right now...except I'm not sure about the auto-collection of db's from any business in the country, though I wouldn't put it past our govt. to do such a thing.
It's for reasons like this that I will never trust them. Even when a day comes that they say they won't do it anymore I won't believe them.
The only way to ensure WE have privacy is to cripple THEIR ability to snoop. I'm not advocating any sort of anarchy but just let them know that the people are a force to be reckoned with.
...Those dirty fucking rats, best of luck to the future of your country @linuxxx... -
@pfish It's kind of happening everywhere
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Privacy is a legend
So, as everyone knows on here by now (or, a lot of ranters), I am a fervid privacy person.
Appearantly a new surveillance law in my country is about to extend mass surveillance/hacking a lot. So here a rundown of what they are about to be allowed to do (stuff that is not okay imo and this is the reason I am so pro-privacy):
- Mass Data Gathering: The intelligence agency over here (lets call it IA from now) can pretty much record everything send through the country.
- Extra Protection: If they want to conduct surveillance on journalists/lawyers, they have to go through extra channels first at least.
- Data/survaillance sharing: The IA is allowed to share their raw/filtered data with foreign intelligence agencies without limits. Also, they're allowed to conduct surveillance based on foreign requests.
- Secret DNA database: A secret DNA database will be created which can store the DNA profiles of any person who has commited any kind of crime. These profiles are allowed to be stored for a maximum of 30 years. This database is allowed to be shared with any foreign intelligence agency.
- Hacking: Unlimited power to hack any device deemed neccesary to hack in relation to crime. From computers to smartphones and so on. Also, it's allowed to use zero-days without reporting them to the vendor (we have seen what can go wrong with that through the ShadowBrokers scandal).
- Automatic Database Collection: They are allowed to directly tap into any database they see required (banks, healthcare, messaging services and so on). Practically this can lead to backdoors being build in because if you don't cooperate, you can go to prison. (mother of god I am not using anything closed source anymore if possible).
So yeah, this is pretty much the reason why I am so privacy consious. This country is fucked.
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