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Just saw this comment in our code:
// TODO: think of a better way to do this
Committed June 12, 201215 -
Like one of those jobs that demand 12 years of experience with Kubernetes (which was released 6 years ago)
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My family asked me what do I need in these holidays. "Dozen of Raspberry Pi", I replied.
They brought me 12 blueberry.6 -
devRant needed my "physical address" to send me stickers.
I sent them: 8D:*E:85:12:**:**
Waiting for the stickers... :-/6 -
Realising that 12 year olds these days can code and build better than I do today.
When I was 12, I was content playing Pinball and chatting with strangers on yahoo messenger.
I'm 23 and shameless.20 -
Me 12 hours ago: looks like a good idea to get emailed if somebody tries to break into my new server.
Me now:
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WTF your function takes in 12 parameters!!! Then it checks one and pass the rest to another function!!12
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When the deadline gets extended from 12:00 AM to 9:00 AM, night out is fucking expected ! Fuck them till morning ! FUCK !3
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Applied for a student JetBrains account, i got accepted in less than 12 hours. Thats what I call great customer service!14
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The ignorance of the 12 year old me destroyed 2years of family memories.
...I wonder what this format option does...5 -
12/10 UI design at McDonalds...
Left screen with the arrow says: "Look up your orders here"
on the right screen it displays the orders...
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Uhhh, ok. Screw you Microsoft!
Really wish I could go all Linux..... 😑
https://theverge.com/2018/9/...
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Installed Ubuntu Linux on my cousin's PC... Age 12... He starts earlier than me... :/
But I'm proud of him :)8 -
Apparently thousands of our users are still using IE 6. While average users spend ~12 minutes on our site, they spend ~20 minutes.6
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I lost motivation and focus on the company where I worked for 12 years.
And after 12 years I quit my job last week.
I'll work for a new company next month.
And I won't wait another 12y if I won't be satisfied or disrespected.
Never give up.4 -
Password max length: 12 characters
Additional requirements: exactly 1 special character and exactly 2 numbers.8 -
The new google site looks like something i woulda made when i was 12 and discovered border-radius10
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My JS function is now lazy loading, expressive, and uses 12 fewer lines of code! 😃
It no longer works, but
... no one is perfect. 😅3 -
People are so annoying.
It's 12 so finally, happy new year!
I'm trying to spend my new year by reading and there are annoying idiots outside have a country from 10 to 1 until it was 12 am.
Now they have fireworks and are screaming at the top of their lungs with music...
Looks like I won't have a peaceful night.14 -
Ever wonder why man prints 'gimme gimme gimme' only at 12:30? https://unix.stackexchange.com/q/...3
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I find it annoying how Microsoft only lets you have 12 hours maximum as your active hours, I'm usually on my laptop for more that 12 hours4
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Am I the only one who thinks that 6 10 12 14 are even odd numbers and 2 4 8 16 are even even numbers?7
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IBM job requirements:
- 12+ years kubernetes experience
- kubernetes is 6 years old
IBM, never change cheered me up today
https://theregister.com/2020/07/...4 -
12:30pm - I can't code any more, what does this function even do?
12:45pm - What's a function?
12:59pm - I still don't know what a function is
01:00pm - *Eats Lunch*
01:05pm - My code makes perfect sense6 -
While Apple is putting 12-year-old fingerprint readers into MacBooks, Microsoft is scanning your eyes with Windows Hello. Who's innovative?13
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I made my first website at the age of 12 with my dad for building company! It's alive to this day 😀3
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* Chuck Norris once installed windows in his PC.
* After 12 hours of updating, windows uninstalled itself.2 -
Sitting in a cafe/pub ... Working ... its 12 am ... am here all night ...
Why do people think am the DJ ?5 -
My colleague and I have 12 years of college and 10 years of experience between us. Can't figure out how to connect a fucking phone headset.2
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Me : it is 12 A.M. now. I should sleep.
Mind : Okay. 10 more minutes.
Me : (At 12:30) Okay. I will sleep now.
Mind : 10 more minutes, please.
Me: (At 4 A.M.) i should sleep now.
Mind : LOL. 10 more....2 -
Crocheted a Doctor Who season 12 scarf and then crocheted a mini version so my husband’s cat could match with him.
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12 days of work, 12 fucking days straight and I meet the Friday deadline for this ridiculous sprint of never ending tasks.
There’s no better feeling then bringing everything together at 5pm on Friday, pushing to Git and waking out that door knowing there’s nothing more to do until Monday’s testing!!!!
Now excuse me while I go sleep my weekend away!2 -
If you work 8 hours a day sincerely, you will become a manager and work 12 hours a day
Made my day...hahahahah -
Dev confession:
I’ve been writing websites since I was 12 and I’m still yet to write a loading animation. I always just copy them off codepen9 -
team downloading a library to solve in 12 hours problems I could code myself out in 15 minutes, complication as a service at its best.5
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The Penguin's den 😅
(that is after cleaning up BTW)
Monitors are a full HD TV and a 12 years old 5:4 for legacy stuff.
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One of my clients once assumed that paying me 12$ for the domain entitled them a year of content writing and web development.3
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WE HAVE 12 DAYS TO SAVE US NET NEUTRALITY
www.deadlinefornetneutrality.com
LET'S GO SHOVE OUR BAD CODE UP CONGRESS' ASS UNTIL THEY FORCE THE FCC TO GIVE OUR RIGHTS BACK6 -
Started at a new employer few days ago. It all started with:
'To become familiar with our tech stack and projects we've assigned some tickets to you, 'some' of these are tickets others weren't able to finish'.
The tickets (12):
Status: stuck
Added: 4 months ago
Notes: 12 (mostly negative)
Assigned and unassigned to different people 8 times15 -
A girlfriend.
Been delaying taking care of myself, my health, my finances, and my appearance. Computers been sucking my time since 12.3 -
I feel my body is changing into greater entity that is God of Time and Space.
"How long does creating this feature takes?"
"42 mins and 12 seconds"
BOOM and its 42 minute, 12 second exact8 -
Oh shit i watched youtube with mobile data and i used 459mb... 31mb left to use it for 12 days... Shit12
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Storm outside, our whole office left today at 12 and decided to do Homeoffice. Now I'm coding with the sound of the storm. Amazing :)1
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Bloody CSS isn't working...
body .belly {padding:8%; overflow:none;}
body .belly{padding:-12%; overflow:hidden;}5 -
11:59 -> why am i getting an invalid operation exception?
12:00 -> ...
12:01 -> why are we the only species that can question reason?2 -
Me trying to take a screenshot with iOS 12:
*holds home and presses lock* (the only way I had found to reliably take a screenshot in previous versions): Siri
Fuck off Siri I want a screenshot!
*tries again same way*: Siri
Fuck OFF Siri!
*holds lock + home*: phone locks
Christ almighty.
*unlocks phone, presses home and lock at the exact same time*
Nothing happens.
*continues holding* I just want my fucking screenshot.
Phone powers off. Hard reset.
Fuck this shit.
How hard is it to monitor two buttons being pressed at the same time? And if it is so damn hard why make it the ONLY WAY TO TAKE A SCREENSHOT??!
Now whenever I want a screenshot it’s basically a crapshoot whether I will get a screenshot, Siri barging in, or my phone locking on me.
Couldn’t they have just used the volume buttons instead? 😡12 -
WTF, timezones...
How is gmt+12 2018-04-19 02:00
But gmt-12 is 2018-04-20 02:00...
Here in gmt+1 the 20th starts one hour earlier than in gmt..
Time travel? Relativity? Rick? Illuminati?
I‘m confused..14 -
My 5 years old pc died, had to pull out my 12 year old laptop back
Never used VIM
WISH ME LUCK BOIS
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You think arrays starting with 1 are annoying?
HA!
How about time in a day starting with 12?
12:00, 12:45, 1:00, 1:45,...,11:45, 12:00, 12:45, 1:00, 1:45, ..., 11:45, 12:00, 12:45, 1:00 again
What if arrays started with 12? I bet Americans would love that!
arr[12]=fuck
arr[1]=this
arr[2]=shit
arr[3]=!!!14 -
It's really nice of Microsoft to let us use our computers for 18 hours a day and not 12, Thanks dad.2
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DBA bitches about one of our developers SQL... implement changes... deploy... now it takes 12 minutes... up from 40 seconds... good job!7
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About week ago I finally upgraded to ios 12 and I really like screen time reporting. It forces me to spend less time using phone.
It lacks features like listening to music or books time, probably because it only measure screen time. Besides that it’s cool.
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Java 12 is here.
Why so many releases now.
It was good earlier, years taken for next release.
Atleast we could update our resumes properly.15 -
Ada Lovelace 1834 (The First Programmer) Doctor Who season 12 😍
One of the reasons I love this show is how it brings history to life.
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Using computers 12 hours a day since age 8, but learning to develop only in the past year.
I love video games too much. -
i just spent 3 hours on a problem that could have been solved in 12 lines.
i really hate myself sometimes6 -
My day:
5:30AM - 2yo son wakes me up, I send him back to his bed
6AM - wakes me up again, gotta grab a coffee
7:30AM - leaving towards the office
8:30AM - finally arriving to the office, after horrible traffic.
*continue working on major schema change I started yesterday*
12:30PM - Lunch + Beer
1:30PM - Tequila time!
*back to work*
7:30PM - Finally done with coding, leaving the office
8PM - home at last
9:30PM - Beer time
9:31PM - "I'll just write a couple of more lines"
12:30AM - "That's it, no more code for today"
12:31AM - "I'll just scroll through devRant"1 -
Wait so Win 11 is real?
What happened to the whole Windows 10 is forever and it'll just be updated deal?9 -
starting to really get sick of working 12 hour days and nothing to show for it
fucking months go by in the blink of an eye6 -
Developer confession:
I've been writing HTML since I was 12 and I still have to google write the damn doctype5 -
Here are all the infos for this Friday night meeting:
- Friday 22/12
- 6PM
- Brussels Central station
Everybody's welcome ! :D29 -
My 12 year old bag, now with graphics, goes with me to client meetings and acts as a deterrent for clients talking shit/fake knowledge or cliches.
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I cannot believe its 2020 and I'm reading: Customize font size for navigation items & tabs as "New Features!"
From Apple:
With an all-new design that looks great on macOS Big Sur, Xcode 12 has customizable font sizes for the navigator, streamlined code completion, and new document tabs5 -
Am currently at a jamboree where one kid said he was really good at maths. Then another younger kid asked him what 12 + 12. The first kid then said 24 to which the second kid laughed and said "twelvetwelve". Then the small kid promptly ran away yelling "catch me catch me".
They really do say the darnest things, but concatenation was unexpected :v
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Why are the MOST important passwords in my life (banks, financial, insurance) the LEAST secure (i.e. Max length 12, no special chars)
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!! TRUE STORY !!
I Began Learning Programming At 12 years-old
with a phone.
Now , I'm 14-years old and have a Laptop !9 -
I think I executed more than 250 build plans in > 12 build plans.
I don't want to click anymore.
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Half done.
More than drunk.
Yaaaay2 -
Today in innocent tech conversations that sound dirty because I am a child: "system shuts down on case penetration"1
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Google's new Material design, with more curvy elements with broad borders, woth cocky font ...... is UGLY as FUCK
12 year kid at work10 -
Dude imagine being born in 12/3/4567.
Writing birth date fast af.
You could even slide your finger as a pianist.11 -
How I work:
I drink lots of coffee and pass out for 12 hours.
It’s like alcoholism, just less productive.28 -
A woman sends her programmer husband to the supermarket.
"Bring a carton of milk, and if they have eggs, bring 12".
He returned with 12 cartons of milk.2 -
Does anyone else find it super-confusing how Microsoft refers to SQL Server versions by both product year and version number?
For instance, we primarily use SQL Server 2012, 2014, and 2017, which are versions 11, 12, and 14 respectively.
The slight mismatch between the product year and the version number creates a lot of ambiguity. If someone refers to SQL Server "14," we always have to double-check: do you mean 14 as in version 14 as in 2017, or 14 as in 2014 as in version 12? Does SQL Server "12" mean 12 as in version 12 as in 2014, or 12 as in 2012 as in version 11? It's ridiculous!3 -
New dev domains. Grab them while they are hot. Only $ 11.5k + $ 12 a year!
(or just $ 12 starting from Feb. 28th)
https://domains.google/tld/dev/7 -
MFW when the upgrade that I estimated would take one hour to complete, is now looking to take 10-12 hours...6
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12:55 AM, Subject gets and decides to look at crude oil chart.
1:05 AM, At it.
1:10 AM, Subject decides to check the temperature, using laptop screen in dark.
1:12 AM, Does a wild aerobic move to save flying laptop.
1:13 AM, Finds out that screen is gone.
1:23 AM, Orders new screen.
1:26 AM, Types this rant. -
Tired of working 12 hour shifts, I want to go to Europe, I want to feel like an actual human fucking being damn it.11
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If I ever run my own engineering team I shall ban all meetings after 12 PM. Or permit meetings only on 2 days of the week.6
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"X Æ A-12" started crying in the morning. So I just used a neuralink prototype and now am able to understand what he wants.
*Relaxed*10 -
*cut and paste my few files to parent folder from current*
windows: 6 days, 12 hours, 10 mins remaining...2 -
OpenSuse'e sarcasm is BRILLIANT!
```
~$ ssh 192.168.122.43 -l root
Last login: Thu Feb 2 19:12:45 2023 from 192.168.122.1
Have a lot of fun...
localhost:~ #
```2 -
Epic comment:
1+2+3+4+....infinity = -1/12
SRC: Numberphile
Dear god, id like to file a bug report(see attached video)6 -
I'm the company's git guy. Here's an actual, typical, interaction:
[Coworker] 12:08 PM:
Hi jallman112, good afternoon
[Coworker] 12:08 PM:
I get this error -
[Coworker] 12:08 PM:
git.exe clone --progress -v "[path to local SVN checkout]\repoName" "[path to local git folder]\repoName"
Cloning into '[path to local git folder]\repoName'...
fatal: '[path to local SVN checkout]\repoName' does not appear to be a git repository
fatal: Could not read from remote repository.
Please make sure you have the correct access rights
and the repository exists.
git did not exit cleanly (exit code 128) (515 ms @ 3/14/2019 12:07:26 PM)
[Me] 1:38 PM:
Looks like [path to local SVN checkout]\repoName is not a git repo1 -
Some days it feels like visual studio is conspiring to break my sanity.
Compile.... 5 errors
Clean & recompile .... 12 errors
Open file that contains the errors
Error report clears all errors ...
Compile .... 12 errors .... But still bloody runs
Stop program .... No errors
Grrrr
Compile .... No errors
For god sake .... Which is it ... Do I have errors or not FFS3 -
"contempt culture"
- This [ OS | language] [stinks | is supreme]).
https://blog.aurynn.com/2015/12/...2 -
I hacked my friend's laptop when i was 12. Entered the password as BATMAN because his lockscreen wallpaper was BATMAN😅😂😂3
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Those living in Sydney know there's an app called Opal you can use to navigate public transport.
Part of this is app is a trip planner which can suggest the fastest route to your destination, and is aware of train and bus movements in real-time (supposedly)
Me: Fastest route from station T to station C
App: In 5 minutes, walk 12 minutes to station M and board train. You will arrive at your destination by 20:12
5 minutes later...
Me: Fastest route from station T to station C
App: In 1 minutes, board train. It is the same train that will arrive at station M in 12 minutes. You will arrive at your destination by 20:12
Am I going mad, or does they algorithm stink?5 -
Time check 12:21AM in Philippines. Someone is knocking on our house. Suprisingly received a swag from #devrant. Thank you guys!
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This made my day: (Translation: In reality the earth is a star with 12 spikes and generated by this css script.
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it's only 9:12 AM in the pacific northwest but hey happy new year all you people in eastern timezones7
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2018: Data Scientist = Stack overflow copy pasting: "I followed a 12-hour 'DS' course on Lynda!"
lm() # science2 -
Im started with Lego, with 12 i learned to solder, got interested in computers and ended up learning diverse languages to solve problems.
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12 Hour bus drive while everyone else was partying and having a good time.
Well I drank some Jägermeister but so much for party. -
when you realize Ubuntu 12 is not LTE any more.... tought it was going to be forever....Well yeah let's try lte 16.5
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I've made the mistake of reinstalling windows with a ~6 months old installation media.
It's been 12 fucking hours of windows updates. FFS2 -
Worked for 12 full intense hours and now that I'm done I dont know if I should eat, sleep or hit the gym...4
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Before lockdown/quarantine: work 12 hours a day.
During lockdown/quarantine: work 12 hours a day.
After lockdown/quarantine: work 12 hours a day.
FML3 -
full drupal site build in 24 hours.
6 hours design
6 hours infrastructure
12 hours build (including custom modules) -
Let's all take a moment and appreciate this LKML gem that happened before 4.20
https://lkml.org/lkml/2018/...1 -
Outside, 16 Degrees Celsius.
First one in the office, nice :)
Bathroom Break
Back in office
...
AC on blast at 12 FUCKEN DEGREES >:(3 -
Studying for college exam
- 2min/sitting
Coding/reading Docs/Book of interest.... after 12 hours
- " OMD ... I completely forgot, i own a mobile"1 -
Client emails for a wordpress site:
12:46 - Can you change the header color to #xxxxxx?
12:47 - Also can you change the text on this page? ( not part of our contract)
12:49 - never mind, I've done it already.. I'll contact you if I need more help.2 -
If anyone can do a 12-week bootcamp to become a ‘developer’, where are the 12-week bootcamps to become a lawyer or doctor? 🤔6
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In the whole world right now, only 12 people really understand CSS. One is me, eight more are my other personalities.5
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"Let me get an early night and wake up early for a change"
Wakes up 12 hours later, 10 minutes before work starts 😑 -
Which privacy-respecting email provider can you recommend? It seems that the following three are the best options:
- tutanota (0€ / 12€)
- posteo (12€)
- mailbox.org (12€)
Do you have any experience with them?
What do you think about a hosted email service with your own domain?18 -
Apple is fucking EVERYONE over with Safari 12. They are changing how extensions communicate with the browser, they are calling the new type of extensions Safari App Extensions. It means all current Safari Extensions will not work in Safari 12.
The problem with this is that they require all extensions to have this “backend” written in Swift with a VERY LIMITED API. Maybe you want to close a tab with your extension? “Fuck you, you’re not allowed” are Apple’s response to that. On top of this shit show their documentation is horrendous.
They will kill the extension ecosystem with this new approach, I’m sure of it, because most of the current extensions will not be able to migrate all their features to the new approach. They have built the API around specific extension types, so lots of extensions will simply not work in Safari 12. For distribution they will only allow extensions to be distributed via their new(?) Extension Store where they will review your code, just like an app for App Store. Unless you’re in the Apple Developer Program, which is $99/year.
I do not understand this change and I think it will hurt Apple in the sense that people will use other browsers where extensions are not as strictly controlled. Usually I understand Apple’s changes but this one is just beyond me. 🦆 you 🍎. -
I'm torn apart by the upcoming new year. I can't wait forbthis horrible yearbto end, hoping the next will be better. But I'm afraid this year might be just an intro into what's coming.
Trying to stay positive. Let's hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.5 -
$logger->log_info("Dumper ln:[" . __LINE__ ."] INFO:" , Dumper(%cmd));
[May 1,2018 12:46] Dumper ln:[1118] INFO: 2018-05-01-T12:46:04
...
day++;
frustration ++;
...
Replaces < , > with < . > in line 1.
[May 1,2018 12:53] Dumper ln:[1183] INFO:$VAR1 = 'SQL dude why?';
Mother of Perl !!! -
A bit confused
I have a code and it is giving different answers in different language and compilers
the code is
Int a=4
Int b = ++a + a++ + --a
Please ignore the syntactical errors
But this logic give different answers in different compiler and language like in
C(turbo c++ compiler) it gives 12
C(gcc)- 16
Java- 15
Python- 12
Can anybody explain the logic behind this...10 -
The one thing I'm happy about is the fact that humans have agreed on time itself. 12 months and 12 hours. 60 minutes, and 60 seconds.2
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The task: Catch and log this specific error in this one function.
Me: While I'm here, let me just -
git: 12 files changed3 -
3 weeks ago
Client: when can we go in production, we want x and y
Boss: 13/12
Absolute Silence
Today 8/12
Boss: how long will it take for bringing this in production on 13/12?
Me: I'll do my best to get it ready on time
Boss: Why will it take 2 workdays?
Me: because client asks x and y
Boss: so?
Me: x and y is not ready
Boss: x and y can' t take two days, it must be ready now
Me: You said 13/12?
Boss: client wants to test before production
Me: ... 😡
Where did things go wrong here?7 -
After 12 hours I've managed to delete old and obsolete code from my project... Well, from part of it... Okay, small part... From 10% of it...1
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The social pressure of having fun every long weekend is worse than getting up & seeing 12 new bugs assigned to you 😭
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Took my first Java exam last week and I found out yesterday that I got 103 💪🏼 after a 12 point curve.1
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I suck at making estimates on my tasks. I recently estimated a task for 2 weaks but finished it in 12 hours...2
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For those who thinks devrant is toxic community, you should visit Lowyat Forum (a Malaysian forum ), they literally speaks as of they are 12.11
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Everyone has project builds. Boss comes in and says we need to build 12 landing pages on 12 new domains by end of day. Repurposes PR for content, my designer, and 3 devs.
Happy goddamn Friday.1 -
!!shortRant
Took over a project of someone leaving the company. 5k loc in 1 File. 40 classes, mccabe average is 12.
FUCK THIS SHIT1 -
Update to Doomsday !rant which can be found here: https://devrant.com/rants/1000628
Hey Everyone I'd like to let everyone know that I finally found the original file for my Doomsday Algorithm and thought it would be fun to show you the dirtiest code I've ever written (I was 12 when I wrote it).
here is the github link, https://github.com/LiamHolmesEPD/... , and I'll likely update it will more cleaner languages in the future.2 -
4200 php files with exploit code removed or cleaned and 12 hours of work, and I can cautiously sigh a relief2
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Its midnight here...worked for almost 12 hours.... Spend the last 30 mins or so very frustrated and try to figure out why I am not getting desired response. Edited the code again and again... Soon I realize... I am editing local codes, never pushed to live. And Im testing live the whole time....WOW. I am relieved and ashamed at the same time.
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IBM job
12 plus experience in Kubernetes.
irony: Kubernetes is a 6 year old project.
https://tech.slashdot.org/story/20/...
actual listing:
https://intellijobs.ai/job/...6 -
I learnt to programming in BBC Basic, only about 12 years ago... it just happened to be the language I first came across!
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Well, looks like nVidia is getting a bit cocky, isn't it?
https://wirelesswire.jp/2017/12/...
What do you guys think?9 -
To whoever broke Chrome 79's DevTools hover on variables: you broke my heart
https://piunikaweb.com/2019/12/...1 -
Learned almost entirely from online tutorials, and this was starting 12+ years ago.
What little official education I had was barely any practical programming. -
Compiling a project (Not BIG but still pretty big)
C# compiler : YOLO, you have 12 Cores ? I'll use 12 cores. BAM : 3 seconds, compiled !
SASS compiler :
Rolf, I'm gonna take file by file, recompile all dependant files to produce a single file. 2 Seconds per file. X 150 files.... 6 Minutes SASS is still running....2 -
Freaking gunicorn.
Took me over 12 hrs to figure out why issues were happening on staging server and fix them. -
When group notification is announced as a feature after 12 versions 😂 and that excitement it creates3
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How will I get a better Dev job in 12 months, by making projects or by practicing competitive programming?8
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+ this post if you believe web developers shouldn’t touch fucking SEO, im sick of this shit still after 12 yrs…wtffff, am i wrong ?????? Please help14
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This is why you keep production data separate -- and out of the hands of developers: http://businessinsider.com/uber-emp...3
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!rant
let specialDay = moment("25/12/2017");
console.log((moment(specialDay).isSame(moment(), 'day'))?'merry christmas':null);
Merry Christmas, sorry for making it complicated xD -
Anyone else effected by the UK fast outage yesterday? We've come in this morning to a failed drive (or so we think) our Web server home directory is just gone wondering if anyone else has noticed any funnies on their hosting
https://theregister.co.uk/2017/12/... -
Just get through the end of the day alive, and then coming home. The next day I usually find the solution around 12 o'clock 😀
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!rant
Participating in an hackathon next week with open theme and needs to be a mobile app.(12 hours)
Help me with some ideas fellow survivors3 -
Can I install MATLAB for free even after completion of the course i.e 12 weeks?If yes please tell me how.
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Up at 12:45am wanting to program, but can't decide between assignment and personal projects.
coding, nightdreaming -
nice read:
https://lukasa.co.uk/2016/12/...
(would love to know what happens to radar/bug report, but could not retrieve it)
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